For those who didn’t see on twitter or elsewhere, Dayani and I did another recording recently. But instead of doing our own show here, we were guests on TankCast. You can find it here.
Previous episodes of our usual show.
After a bit of a break, suddenly a huge heap of new information from 6.2 patch notes and data (and items) gives us no shortage of things to talk about. As soon as it all started coming out, we got together to discuss our immediate reaction upon reading it, recording 2 segments over the course of the evening. So, an extra long show today (or 2 shows, however you want to listen!) with everything that healers should be interested in in the initial 6.2 information.
0:25 Patch 6.2 Notes
> 1:50 Losing Aspect of the Fox
> 6:25 Losing Amplify Magic
> 10:32 Mistweaver Monk changes – DPS nerfs and Crane stance
> 12:50 Resto Shaman changes – Riptide/CH spell interaction is gone!
(Dayani’s older post on High Tide math)
19:10 Patch 6.2 Speculation
> 21:00 Addressing mechanical balance concerns
> 22:45 Discipline Priest speculation
> 26:38 Holy Paladin mobility and utility
31:16 Mythic Dungeon thoughts & Challenge Mode comparison
42:06 Outro & Good night
1:10 Legendary Ring procs (examples discussed: Healer, Caster, Tank)
6:45 The Archimonde Class Trinket
> 9:45 Druid (Trinket; Flourish)
> 13:40 Monk (Trinket; Soothing Breeze)
> 15:40 Paladin (Trinket; Magnifying Light)
> 17:52 Priest (Disc) (Trinket; Naaru’s Discipline)
> 22:20 Priest (Holy) (Trinket; Complete Healing)
> 25:35 Shaman (Trinket; Low Tide)
29:35 Healer Trinkets & Spirit Balance (Previous podcast about Spirit Balance in 6.2)
> 31:55 Healer Trinket 1
> 32:37 Healer Trinket 2
> 34:50 Healer Trinket 4
> 38:34 Healer Trinket 3
42:18 Tier 18 Set Bonuses
> 43:05 Druid (2pc 4pc)
> 45:01 Monk (2pc 4pc)
> 48:00 Paladin (2pc 4pc)
> 48:20 Priest (Disc) (2pc 4pc)
> 50:51 Priest (Holy) (2pc 4pc)
> 51:40 Shaman (2pc 4pc)
55:50 Outro & Good night (again)
Back for another show! We start with some current goings-on related to trinkets; there have been a few recent changes that affect healers. That gets us into a discussion of some aspects of healer stats generally and the mana situation. Then we use remaining time to get started on a topic we’re both always happy to talk about, Challenge Mode healing.
0:00 – Intro & Catching Up
1:35 – Recent Healer Trinket Changes
> 1:55 – Patch 6.1 Changes to healer loot tables (background)
> 3:20 – Spirit’s historical budget & value on trinkets
> 7:20 – Bonus Armor analogy and why Blizzard made the change
> 12:50 – Loss of interesting loot choice
> 14:45 – Mana inflation concerns (my post on the situation before this)
> 20:55 – BRF Trinket re-evaluation (Autoclave, Talisman)
> 23:30 – Distinguishing Int DPS trinkets from Healer trinkets
31:35 – Alchemist Stone trinket
36:55 – Tertiary stats and the case for Avoidance
40:35 – Challenge Mode Healing
> 40:35 – Differences from raid healing
> 44:20 – Tank healing & encounter knowledge
> 45:40 – CM mana management
> 50:40 – Spirit vs Int for CMs
> 57:35 – Pacing for speed in CMs
> 1:00:55 – Hamlet’s Gold CM guides
1:02:05 – Outro & good-bye!
Quick notes for now since I’m at PAX East. I’m I’ll give this more discussion going forward, probably on the next podcast (hopefully soon) especially.
As many healers have noticed, in Patch 6.1, all non-Spirit items were removed from the healer classes’ lootspecs. So healers can’t get them from any source that respects lootspec (bonus rolls, personal loot in dungeons or raids, LFR, mission tokens, challenge mode rewards, and so on). This seems like an odd choice since Int vs. Spirit, especially on trinkets, was generally considered an interesting loot choice and there was a lot of variation in people’s views on it.
To briefly summarize why it happened: tanks have a similar situation with Bonus Armor, and for them there isn’t as much choice. Bonus Armor is unequivocally better for tanks, and so this change was needed in their case–it prevent them from getting non-Armor items they’d never use. But for healers, Spirit is not always unequivocally far better than Int; in fact many healers have situations where they choose Int on trinkets. So this change has the odd effect of removing an interesting loot choice. Blizzard’s stated reason is that they want “healer” and “DPS” trinkets to be clearly delineated, so there aren’t items with overly broad competition in a raid, which is frustrating. That makes sense, but overall I don’t think the 6.1 solution is a good way of addressing it.
There are some mana balance issues unrelated to all this. Disc has a super undercosted spell so they have excess mana (separate class toolkit issue). Paladin doesn’t have heals with enough marginal gain over Holy Light casts (separate class toolkit issue). For now, let’s take a class with a very well-working mana game, and a good spellcasting options which are influenced by mana constraints (Shaman or Druid). Right now, the weird thing is, things should be totally fine for these classes. Int and Spirit (on trinkets) are reasonably well-balanced options. That’s a hard thing to do and it’s done surprisingly well. There are good cases for both stats and it can vary with content/encounter. Furthermore, they removed the choice from most slots (4 where you always want Spirit and many where you never do) to prevent being able to swing it too much, but left the choice in 2 important slots (trinkets).
Everything about this, so far, is so good and healthy that it’s a little bizarre that they feel a need to stamp it out. We’re talking about removing actual, good, gameplay in the form of meaningful stat choices (one of the most prominent places such a thing remains). The biggest problem with the solution is that it seems to ignore that the class/stat design doesn’t support this notion of Spirit being unequivocally far better in every situation. That’s not even close to true, even for a class like Druid (even if Spirit is often slightly better in many situations). That might take an expansion-level change, again.
And furthermore, they’d have to massively buff Spirit in a way that didn’t accelerate mana flooding (which is okay in Warlords, but touchy, as I got into here: Healing Theory: Warlords Spirit Update | It’s Dangerous to Go Alone ). That’s okay–for example, the recent Monk change was careful about this. Watcher’s suggestion in a recent interview of making Spirit also give SP to healers would do it for all healers. But totally reworking the function of the stat seems like next-expansion territory.
If they do make an big fundamental change, wouldn’t it better to still have the option of regen stat vs. throughput stat–an option that is already designed, implemented, and well-balanced (rather than mashing them into one stat)? It would be perfectly fine to have Spirit and Heal Power trinkets, both of which were not shared with DPS. Or simply go the Mists route of having some trinkets that only proc on damaging events and some that only proc on heal events. There are various potential ways to have clearly-defined “DPS trinkets”, “Healer Spirit trinkets” and “Healer throughput trinkets.”
In short, this change feels a little reactionary in response to players exercising a choice of stats (which is of course a good thing). Not only does it sacrifice a solid, if minor, bit of decisionmaking, but it doesn’t even solve the problem. Healers will still want exactly the same items they wanted before, but now, in certain cases, it will be much more annoying to get them.
In case anyone follows this blog and hasn’t come across me talking about these elsewhere, I just finished a pretty large project: a full set of video guides for the challenge mode dungeons in Warlords.
These provide a lot of detailed info on everything you should need to know about each zone to seriously work on getting the Gold time. Let me know what you think with comments here or on the videos!
Getting back together after only a few days to start digging into Blackrock Foundry healing. We talk about both interesting healing details at some of the encounters in early Blackrock, and how they raise various general principles of setting up a healing team.
0:00 – Intro
1:05 – Set Bonus discussion Follow-up
>1:20 – Mistweaver 2pc (Serpent Stance) applies MS bonus to instants
>6:15 – Discipline Priest 2pc and value of a Penance tick
10:15 – our Blackrock Foundry WeakAuras project
13:00 – BRF Encounter thoughts
>13:45 – Gruul & understanding a damage profile
>21:40 – Oregorger & mitigating Acid Torrent
>26:30 – Flamebender Ka’graz & the value of stacking the raid for healing
>32:20 – Hans’gar & Franzok & Bloodlust/Heroism on a %hp-based fight (my post on use of Bloodlust)
>39:50 – Operator Thogar & Bloodlust/Heroism on a time-based fight
>45:10 – Beastlord Darmac & dropping healers
>59:15 – Kromog & adding healers
1:08:10 – DPS vs Survivability, revisiting the Butcher discussion (at 41:30), and Versatility
1:16:15 – Outro
Dayani and I have both been occupied with various projects lately, particularly her raid guides and my challenge mode video guides. But we finally got back together to catch up on healing, and spent most of the time on a topic we hadn’t gotten into yet, T17 set bonuses.
0:00 – Intro & What we’ve been up to
1:30 – New Patch 6.1 Notes — Updated HealerCalcs
1:45 – PW:S nerf, and what it does for Disc Priest priorities
8:15 – Resto Shaman’s Restorative Waters buff
12:30 – PoM charge change reverted
13:20 – Crane Stance/Rising Sun Kick buff
18:45 – Challenge Mode difficulty
21:00 – Tier 17 Set Bonuses
23:00 – Shaman Set Bonuses (2pc 4pc)
31:20 – Druid Set Bonuses (2pc 4pc)
39:50 – Holy Priest Set Bonuses (2pc 4pc)
45:00 – Disc Priest Set Bonuses (2pc 4pc)
56:00 – Paladin Set Bonuses (2pc 4pc)
1:06:10 – Mistweaver Monk Set Bonuses (2pc 4pc)
1:16:00 – Good-bye!
If you read this blog, you’ve hopefully seen my post on how I think about raid awareness. I’ve always wondered exactly how to follow up on it, and while this post isn’t nearly so broad in scope, it’s way of trying to revisit that topic. I’m not introducing any fundamentally new ideas, but rather, using Blackrock Foundry as an example of how those ideas can be applied. This post tries to make it as easy as possible to implement some of the most important and universal UI techniques for yourself.
In some cases I included WeakAuras I built so that you can try them out with a minimum of effort. I got Dayani (who researched the BRF fights in extreme detail in order to prepare her set of guides) to work on a list of boss abilities with me, and think about the best way to handle each one.
If you do nothing else upon reading this post, try installing these Auras–your raid leader will be happy with the outcome. All you have to do is download the addon and import these two strings:
BRF – Debuff Alert and Standing In Fire (v 0.91) (for everyone): Link
BRF – Interrupt Bars (v 0.91) (for interrupters): Link
(These are substantially complete, but we’ve only been able to do limited testing on our own, and I expect to make some tweaks after people try them out and provide any suggestions or problems)
Thus far it includes Heroic difficulty Blackrock Foundry. An added module for Mythic is something we hope to do after finalizing this one.
This component is the one example of completely universal raid UI that I illustrated in the raid awareness article. You should want everyone in your raid to have it, and in fact a big motivation of this project was simply to increase uptake by handing over a WeakAura, or at least a debuff list, that people could use. I split it into two parts: 1) encounter-specific debuffs that require immediate movement and 2) the specific situation of “standing in fire”. In both cases, the concept is as described in the article: if any of these is happening to you, a UI that makes it possible for you to miss or ignore that fact is inadequate.
Both parts are in the first Aura I linked above. I’ll address the specific-debuff module first.
The Aura pops up a giant icon like this when you have any of the listed debuffs:
You probably hear this all the time for various encounters, especially from DPS: “Bloodlust at the start of the fight, because everyone’s standing still and [some mechanic] isn’t happening yet, so you get the best DPS value out of it.” This post is slightly tricky because I want to talk about 1) a subtle fallacy here (that Bloodlust is inherently better at times when raid DPS is higher), while also noting that, 2) in the end, it often is correct to use it at the start of the encounter (because it will have the strongest intersection with everyone’s cooldowns and trinkets).
There are two reasons that (1) can be incorrect. First, it can be more important to get through a hard phase of the fight faster than to end the whole fight more quickly. This is important but I’m not going to get into it too much here. It’s generally well-recognized and, when Bloodlust isn’t used at the start, this is typically the reason. What’s more interesting and counterintuitive though is that using Bloodlust when the raid’s doing the most DPS isn’t even necessarily best for ending the fight quickly.
How is that possible? It’s (roughly speaking) a uniform %-based DPS increase. It’s most valuable when the underlying damage is the highest! (You might be saying).
Say you have a 2-phase encounter. Phase 1 goes until 50%. It does nothing–it’s a target dummy and the raid does its maximum DPS (our hypothetical encounter designer is very amenable to setting up weird examples for me). Phase 2 has lots of abilities that interfere with DPS, movement and the like. Say the raid does half of its maximum DPS here. The boss has 20 million HP and the raid’s maximum DPS is 100,000. And forget about potions and trinkets etc. for the moment (I’m keeping things very abstract and continuous for now, but will revisit some of these assumptions below).
“Ok Hamlet,” you might say, “what kind of math voodoo is this? Bloodlust to add 15000 DPS for the 40s duration is equally effective as Bloodlust to add 30,000 DPS for the 40s duration?”
This was prompted by two recent conversations I had–first, the one surrounding this tweet, and second, someone telling me about a guildmate of theirs complaining about a different guildmate who was using bad gems for their class.
So, the odd thing about someone using completely wrong gems (or some comparable character setup choice) is that it doesn’t matter, on its face. Gems (especially now) are such a tiny fraction of your overall character strength, and the difference between two secondary stats is such a small fraction of that, that you’re pretty hard-pressed to conclude that someone using the wrong gems has any effect on anything whatsoever. Maybe in some unusually strong cases, that 1 person out of the 20 in your raid will have a 1% shortfall in their output? Even that much is probably rather rare.
Basically, if you imagine that you couldn’t inspect people’s character sheets or stats directly, I’d posit that there’s no experiment you could conduct that would reveal to you whether the people in the raid had optimal gems or slightly suboptimal gems.
So why do they matter? I’ve always only thought there was one reason, and this is including all the way back when I was in a very serious high-level guild and would review applicants. It’s a way of showing that you’ve researched your class. That is something you want to know about an applicant or raid member, and is kind of hard to find out directly.
It’s a little tricky because they don’t necessarily need to be able to know the theorycraft rationale for why that stat is preferred. Just like the gems themselves aren’t the actual point of interest, being able to do/understand a lot of math isn’t the right criterion either. It’s entirely possible for someone to understand the spellcasting decisions, which is the actual important issue, without articulating the theory. But I think what it comes down is, there’s really no way to develop an good practical understanding of the class that won’t, somewhere along the way, involve the information about what stats are best.
Practically speaking, the only way to get solid information on the best play of a class is by reading resources written by others who used some kind of mathematical tool. And those always include information on stats (conceivably they might not include that topic, but that would be rather odd). The only exception is if you’re the person making the tool, in which case you of course can work out the stats for yourself as well. If you’ve gotten all of your class understanding from sources (including “play experience alone”) that don’t contain stat information, then you must not have looked at things which are rigorous. And that actually is something worth selecting for in applicants and guildmates.
So gems turn out to be good signal. It’s not very discriminating, sure. Someone might be using the right ones just by some whim, or by following their Attunement (which is often right), or from seeing other players do it. But I’m of course not saying you should conclude that anyone with the right gems will be a great person to play with (wouldn’t be nice if that worked). I am saying that using wrong ones all but rules out that the person has used any meaningful resources in learning to play their class. And that is very likely to have more than a 1% effect on their performance.